October 1, 2012

  • Objectification and “walking vaginas”

    JDN 2456202 EDT 18:15.

     

    There’s a concept that comes up a lot in feminist discourse called “objectification”. You’ll hear this all the time: “Treating women as sex objects,” “objectifying women,” “being objectified,” etc. But what exactly does objectification mean?

    It sounds like it means “treating you as an inanimate object,” which would of course be terrible. But is that really what’s going on here?

    What is a “sex object”? Who wants to have sex with an object? In fact, can you even do that? If it’s an object, it’s not even sex anymore, it’s masturbation. There are certain kinds of things you can do to either a person or an object (lift them, push them, weigh them, stab them, etc.), but actually having sex is not really one of those options. It would certainly be very odd to say “He was having sex with the table.” Even “he was fucking the table” seems pretty bizarre, and not just as an activity, but I mean as a sentence. He’s masturbating by means of the table, but is he actually having sex with it?

    This is why it’s so baffling to me when I am told that by being sexually attracted to someone, I am “objectifying” them. No, I’m… personifying them! Or sexualizing them if you want that concept specifically. But I do not, absolutely do not, want to have sex with objects. I want to have sex with people. So by wanting to have sex with someone, I have effectively removed them from the space of entities that I consider objects (assuming I hadn’t already, which presumably I would have).

    The closest I can think of to someone actually treating women as objects is a phrase I’ve heard on two occasions: “Walking vaginas.” The first time I heard it was from a raving misogynist. The second, however, was from a very aggressive feminist (or at least self-identified feminist). Isn’t that interesting?

    I think this is a good example of what is typically meant by “objectification”: You’ve reduced women to their vaginas. (A similar effect occurs when you sometimes hear men talk about “pussy” as an uncountable noun, a substance one apparently collects.) You care about no other part of them.

    But is “all hands on deck” objectifying? It reduces sailors to their hands. Is “I need some brains on this problem” objectifying? It reduces people to their brains. Is “all eyes were on me” objectifying? It reduces people to their eyes. If these are not objectification, then why is specifically choosing the vagina objectification?

    I definitely see a problem with “walking vaginas”, but are vaginas objects? No, they really aren’t! They’re body parts, which is not at all the same thing.

    The problem with speaking of women as “walking vaginas” is that it’s so limiting. That’s all a woman is to you? Really? That’s not even all a woman is to me in terms of sex. I mean, my god man, what about her breasts, her ass, her legs, her face, her lips? A walking vagina couldn’t even give you a fucking blowjob. In fact, some of the sexiest experiences I’ve had in my life so far were all brain-to-brain, fantasies and memories expressed in digitally transmitted text. Even in terms of fucking her I want her brain.

    And that’s not even including all the other things I’d like to do with a woman besides sex: Thought-provoking conversations, sly grins, soft kisses, cuddling beneath the blankets on a cold winter night, firm hugs, crying on each other’s shoulders, walking through the park, skinny-dipping in the Gulf of Mexico, sharing stories we’ve written and art we’ve painted. You can’t do those things with a walking vagina, now can you? So if you think that’s what a woman is… you’re missing out on so much.

    But at the same time, I want to fuck women. I do. I don’t think I should have to be ashamed of that or keep it a secret. And I hope that there are some women out there who want to fuck me too. But I don’t see this as degrading or dehumanizing them; on the contrary, it is only because I see them as fully human that they seem at all viable to me as sexual partners, as opposed to masturbation aids. Sex toys are not that hard to come by; you can buy them online. Real sexual partners who are whole human beings, they’re a lot harder to get—especially good ones.

    If you don’t like the way women are portrayed in the media, or the clothes women are expected to wear, or the language people use when speaking about women, great. Let’s talk about that. I might even agree. But when I watch a video of a woman masturbating or having sex, I am not at all turning her into an object. On the contrary, I view myself as sharing in her expression of her full humanity through sexuality. An object could not pleasure itself. I wouldn’t enjoy seeing an object experience ecstasy. Indeed, the very notion strikes me as incoherent.

    Maybe there is a sort of person who actually treats women like objects, and that is rapists. Indeed, rapists are also something I find quite baffling (as well as horrifying): What exactly do you get out of raping someone? Is it just about the raw neural sensations? Then we need to invent a better fake pussy stat to give all the rapists so that they can just go to town on the fakes and leave real women alone. Or is it something sadistic, they actually like to see people in pain? (Even that wouldn’t be strictly objectification, though it’s certainly horrible.) Are they just acting on an evolutionary instinct, trying to spread their genes? Most human instincts are subject to a lot of behavioral plasticity, I don’t see why this should be an exception. Also if that’s the case, then we’re conceding that rapists are irrational, and just explaining their behavior in evolutionary terms. So in that case, yes, I guess you can speak of treating women like inanimate objects. For me half the joy of sex is sharing the experience with someone else, and rapists don’t ever get to do that.

    In general, I just don’t see how “sexual objectification” is the right way to describe things at all. For me, the ideas of sexuality and objects just don’t go together. Maybe for rapists they do, or maybe for some people who have really narrow concepts of what sex is about… but if you’re doing it right, you don’t have sex with objects. You have sex with people. The sex you want involves people.

Comments (9)

  • There are many men to whom sex is just using a woman to masturbate with. That is objectification and women have a right to not like it. Can some women be over-sensitive and think they’re being mistreated just because a guy is physically attracted to them? Sure. But if I were hounded the way a pretty woman is all her life, maybe even assaulted one or more times, I’d be a little overly sensitive to creepy guy behavior too.

  • @agnophilo - 
    Maybe… but here’s the thing. I don’t understand these men at all. Why would you go to all the work to involve a woman at all, if you really just want a sex toy? You can buy sex toys.

  • Women are not objects we are humans and we have feelings too. there will be no sex toys if there will be no woman who allows themselves to be one. just saying…

  • @pnrj - Well one, I don’t imagine having sex with a sex doll or something would be very fun, and two, to some men it’s more about marking their territory, conquest or even power, control etc in some nastier people – you might as well ask why someone works 8 hours a day at a shitty job for a roof and some food. Hundreds of millions of years of survival instinct/compulsion to procreate.

  • “Objectification” is a way to shame male sexuality. You like porn? You objectify women, pig.

  • walking vaginas. Sounds great! where can I find those? Is there an island of them?

  • @agnophilo - 

    If it’s just that the sex dolls aren’t good enough, we need to fix that. Make really good sex dolls (or sex robots) for all the misogynists to use. This will free up the actual women to have sex with men who respect them, and also have the added bonus of selecting out misogyny from the gene pool.

  • @AmorVomnia7 - 
    I’m not sure that’s always true, but there’s definitely some truth to that. I remember a presentation at the Safe Sex Store arguing that all porn is inherently degrading to women. They even had the audacity to use some bogus “statistics” that they had gathered by unscientific methods and analyzed improperly. (They literally said, and I quote: “Statistical significance? What’s that?”)

    And I just don’t see it. Why is wanting to watch women masturbate turning them into “objects”? How does that even make sense—objects pleasuring themselves? Why is wanting to watch couples have sex somehow degrading? I really do prefer porn that has couples who are actually affectionate with each other.

    I think a lot of men actually like more realistic, more mutual and affectionate porn, and are annoyed at the standard “huge cock fucking hard for hours in ridiculous positions” that comprises the majority of mainstream porn.

    And while I can see how some porn is degrading to women, a lot of mainstream porn actually seems more degrading to men; it reduces them to their penises and specifically the size of their penises. (Size, by the way, is completely overrated. I don’t even like cocks above about 9 inches. I’d prefer 7 any day. Granted, I wouldn’t exactly want 3 either; but I might actually prefer 3 to 12.) Even gay porn often does this to the top, which pisses me off (maybe because I lean top?). At least the woman (and the bottom) they show their whole body, though… still what they usually make them do doesn’t seem all that enjoyable.

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