January 17, 2010
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A response to Ashis Nandy’s “The Politics of Secularism and the Recovery of Religious Toleranc
Basically Nandy is
a religious man trying to excuse inexcusable acts by religious men on
the grounds that they wouldn’t have happened if it weren’t for other,
secularist men. Keep this absurd undercurrent in mind as you read my
response; whatever else there is to say about this essay, keep in
mind just how crazy it is to
blame sectarian violence on secularism, how obviously backward the
reasoning must be necessarily.
I’m
being required to read this essay for a class, a seminar on “politics
of religion and secularism” run by a professor who is the worst
kind of faitheist. He actually tried to claim that people can and
should believe in faith as trust in God without believing in faith as
belief in God. Stop for a moment and think about what this would
mean: I trust my mother to tell me the right things, but of course my
mother doesn’t actually exist. I believe that unicorns will make the
world a better place, but of course there are no such things as
unicorns. (He admitted that my logic is undeniable, yet didn’t seem
to care; this was all the more frustrating, since it implies that he
has forsaken rational thought.) Yes, this is the state-of-the-art in
faitheist discourse.It
was this paragraph that inspired me to blog a response: “Secularism
has little to say about cultures—it is definitionally ethnophobic
and frequently ethnocidal, unless of course cultures and those living
by cultures are willing to show total subservience to the modern
nation-state and become ornaments or adjuncts to modern living—and
the orthodox secularists have no clue to the way a religion can link
up different faiths or ways of life according to its own
configurative principles.”Whatever this is, it isn’t secularism.
Secularism as I understand it—as I advocate it—is explicitly
pluralistic; it destroys “cultures” only in the sense that it
integrates culture—gives
access to cultural arts and experiences from all societies for all
human beings. It destroys us-them thinking,
not cultural complexity. My secularism is reading the Bhagavad-Gita
while standing in the Sistine Chapel and wearing a kilt and a
Bluetooth headset. In the future I imagine, there would be no
Muslims, no Catholics, no Buddhists, only humans, humans
who are social and cultural animals. I’ve no love of the
nation-state; I think it is at present a necessary evil, and I would
very much like to see it die in favor of a species-state or indeed an
ecosystem-state. Government is clearly effective at securing
stability and preventing violence; but nationalism is fundamentally
evil.Nandy
makes a distinction early in the essay that he hardly ever uses
later, between “religion-as-faith” and “religion-as-ideology”
(I would use instead the words “religion-as-culture” and
“religion-as-belief”, but the taxonomy is similar); insofar as
this distinction works, I agree with it wholeheartedly, as would any
of the New Atheists. Richard Dawkins says grace and celebrates
Christmas. Sam Harris often writes of the wisdom in Buddhist
literature. Salman Rushdie frequently speaks about the Muslim
cultural values he believes in. The people who have made a false
association between these two categories are not the atheists, they
are the religionists; they are the people who think that you can’t
respect the Bible as literature without believing that Jesus rose
from the dead. A pluralistic, metaphorical, cultural experience of
religion is precisely what we New Atheists are trying to
achieve. If that’s really what
you want, you agree with us.Nandy
also goes on about “theories of self” without any actual
evidence; all the psychological evidence I’ve studied shows that
people around the world, regardless of cultural identification, are
capable of both a fixed and a fluid concept of self.Nandy’s
conception of “two definitions of secularism” is more useful; he
is right that “be religious at home, but secular in public” is a
highly problematic notion. This is why we New Atheists argue for “be
secular everywhere”;
we think religious belief and religious ideology are fundamentally
evil things, and would like to see them eradicated. Separation of
Church and State only makes sense if we agree that there must be such
a thing as Church; New Atheists precisely deny this. On the other
hand, Nandy’s second definition is even worse: respect for all
religions is precisely the opposite of what makes rational sense.
Respect for ideas and practices must be earned by
the validity of those ideas and practices.“His
contemporary, Joseph Bradlaugh, on the other hand, believed in a
secularism which rejected religion and made science its deity.”
Well, except for the idiocy of saying “science its deity”—clearly
you know nothing of science and little of theology, for science is a
methodology, not an ideology, and it is nothing even remotely like a
being—this is in fact the secularism I agree with. Science is true,
religion is false; we need no further reason to believe science and
reject religion.He
then speaks of a hierarchy of belief; the only change I would make is
to say that people who are religious in public but not in private are
the worst kind of
people, worse even than true believers. The first two I entirely
agree with: Rationalists are better than secular theists who are
better than everyone else.Nandy
is a fan of ridiculous proclamations about secularism; I doubt anyone
seriously thinks that Britain dominated India because Britain was
secular and India wasn’t. I certainly don’t think that—gunpowder
and industrialization are far more obvious reasons. Moreover, it’s
clear that the violence in “secular” Ireland is motivated as much
by cultural and religious identity as the violence in “religious”
India.I
feel no obligation to defend the way India was run by the British;
while secular, it was also evil in plenty of other ways.And
yet another ridiculous proclamation: “To
many Indians today, secularism comes as a part of a larger package
consisting of a set of standardized ideological products and social
processes—development, mega-science, and national security being
some of the most prominent among them.” So
far this is true, except I’m not sure what “mega-science” is as
distinct from plain old science.
“This package often plays the same role vis-a-vis”
(anytime someone says “vis-a-vis”, expect nonsense to follow;
it’s an effective heuristic) “the
people of society—sanctioning or justifying violence against the
weak and the dissenting—that the church, the ulema,
the sangha,
or the Brahmans played in
earlier times.” And now
he’s gone off the deep end. I challenge you to name one—just
one—New Atheist who
has once—just
once—advocated
violence against religious people. You can’t do it, can you? And yet,
I can find thousands of
examples of religious people advocating violence against people who
disagree with their religion. Maybe millions. The
closest example I can find in secularism comes from Communist
tyrants; yet, none of them were actually rational, none of them
believed in Enlightenment values, and all of them were insane
megalomaniacs. That isn’t secularism, it’s madness. Such people are
beyond the pale of moral behavior, and I do not consider them my
allies.Nandy
also likes making assertions without evidence, or even in the face of
obvious counter-evidence: “Finally,
the belief that values derived from the secular ideology of the
state” (like
freedom, equality, justice, the
dignity of humanity?) “would
be a better guide to political action and a more tolerant and richer
political life” (like
that actually enjoyed in secular countries?) “(as
compared to the values derived from the religious faiths)”
(like racism, sexism, bigotry, genocide, sectarian violence,
irrationality? Oh, and “don’t kill people”, because that’s not a
value secularists believe in?) “has
become even more untenable to large parts of Indian society than it
was a decade ago.”Only
when he actually makes substantive historical claims does Nandy begin
to sound reasonable: “It
is not modern India which has tolerated Judaism in India for nearly
2000 years, Christianity from before the time it went to Europe, and
Zoroastrianism for more than 1200 years; it is traditional India
which has shown such tolerance.” This
could indeed be correct; I somewhat doubt it, given the history of
sectarian violence in the rest of the world, but perhaps its true. If
so, all that shows is that the forced
transition to
modernity causes violence—something I do not doubt. It does nothing
to show that modernity
itself
is harmful—to do that, Nandy would need to show that Sweden is a
more violent and horrifying place than India or indeed Congo or Saudi
Arabia. I’m fairly certain he can’t do this. And even so, Nandy
trusts ancient records to be accurate and comprehensive, which is an
absurd trust to have. Even if no one wrote
about violence,
that doesn’t mean violence wasn’t happening. Maybe it wasn’t—but we
simply don’t know. What few written records we have from the time
period (ahem, The
Bible? The Qur’an?)
are simply chock-full of genocidal violence, depicted as if it is
completely normal and acceptable.In
general, Nandy hates modernity because it challenges his own
religious beliefs, and he is trying to convince us that modern times
are more violent than the past, when the evidence shows precisely the
opposite. Even the most horrible acts of modern times—Hitler,
Stalin, Pol Pot—were the sort of act that was commonplace in
ancient times. The Bible, the Qur’an, the Odyssey, the Aeneid… all
the ancient texts we have verify that life was brutally violent for
everyone. Genocide used to be a way of life for religious humanity.
We feel more violent now paradoxically because we are less violent;
we are more aware
of
the violence and how terrible it is, so when we do still see it on
occasion we are more horrified by it.Overall,
I am convinced that Nandy has nothing useful to say, because he
systematically distorts secular ideology in order to defend some
weird form of “religion” that no one actually believes—except
perhaps we New Atheists.
Comments (1)
Hi,
I am an atheist from India and I really enjoyed your post.
Nandy’s comment on modern India’s lack of tolerance is not wholly correct. The caste system of ancient India
was much more intolerant and inflexible than any display of religious intolerance today.
And anyway, it’s ironic to accuse modernity of reducing religious fanaticism. Fundamentalist religion is a sign
of medieval thinking and not modern (or ancient) secularism.
Jyothis